Discrepancies between Dr. Simeon and Trudeau
I'm on my fifth injection and the hCG protocol is working delightfully. I've been following Dr. Simeon's study primarily because there are conflicts between the study and the book. How are other people dealing with this?
Simeon includes one melba toast with lunch and dinner. Trudeau doesn't even mention this. Does anyone know why?
Simeon says no fat, including vitamin E. Trudeau says take vitamin E and Omega 3.
Simeon says no meds. Trudeau says to take Acetyl-L-Carnitine; does that affect the protocol?
Simeon is against massages, but Trudea recommends them.
Trudeau points out how delicately balanced this protocol is. I'm afraid of making mistakes.
Simeon includes one melba toast with lunch and dinner. Trudeau doesn't even mention this. Does anyone know why?
Simeon says no fat, including vitamin E. Trudeau says take vitamin E and Omega 3.
Simeon says no meds. Trudeau says to take Acetyl-L-Carnitine; does that affect the protocol?
Simeon is against massages, but Trudea recommends them.
Trudeau points out how delicately balanced this protocol is. I'm afraid of making mistakes.
Tags: conflicts, descrepancies, diet, great, hcg, melba, toast
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Permalink Reply by Rhonda Duckworth on
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I have a suggestion. Obtain the 10,000 unit vial of hCG and find 6 other friends to do this with you. You will probably end up paying the same whether you purchase only what you need or purchase the entire vial. This way you have no waste and you can help out 6 of your friends. You could have an hCG party once a week and take turns shooting each other (imagine). The reason why I say once a week is because I would not mix it up more than 1 week a head of time. I would be skeptical of the lost potency. As it is KT suggests using it immediately, but I have read too many of these messages from individuals who have mixed it 1 week (some even longer) in advance and had fabulous results. I have not done it yet, but I planned on contacting one of the pharmaceutical companies that carries it and ask them. Most pharmaceutical companies have a consumer hotline number and they should be able to tell me exactly how long it takes to lose potency once mixed. Using bacteriostatic water and refrigeration should help. With my idea you could make it a BYOS (bring your own syringes) party. If one of the girls starts their cycle then they would simply discard their syringes on those days.
You could all save money by everyone pitching in. If you purchased a 10,000 unit (IU is the same thing) vial and mixed it with 30 ml of Bacteriostatic water. You would have enough hCG for 7 people to take a 200 unit injection every day for 7 days. I know it's true. I did the math. Imagine the possibilities...
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Permalink Reply by symplynic on
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I have used HCG for years in breeding my horses. It is effective in causing them to ovulate so that I can better manage the timing of the breedings. Once HCG is mixed it is good for 30 days. Then it will lose it's potency. I know KT says to mix it every day, but we use it up to 30 days and have the same results with our horses so I assume it would work for people too.
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Permalink Reply by Donna on -
Hello Camilo,
You sure have done some traveling. In your research have you heard of anyone with a hx of cancer doing the ucg protocol? I have the ucg ready to go, but after reading the dr's disclaimer I am a little anxious to begin, so it sits.
I have a hx of breast ca going back to 1985, I am doing just fine, did/doing natural therapies, but have gotten too fat, over time. I am just looking for some feed back on this issue. I will tell you what it says on the boxes I have.
It says "Novarel for injection, USP 10,000 USP 10,000 units w /'Bacteriostatic/water for injection, USP as diluent. For Intramuscular Use Only, Two-Vial Set. Ferring Pharmaceuticals." The amount I am to inject is 0.2CC'S. I hope this offers you some help.
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Permalink Reply by Debra Miller on
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I have two friends and they both took the oral hCG and had wonderful success. One is through and lost the weight she wanted and the other, a close friend has lost over 47 lbs and has more to lose. Plus the Dr they see doesn't follow the protocol strictly. The Dr's diet is a little different. I have another friend who took hCG in the seventies and didn't even know there was a diet or protocol. I still feel the greatest success will be in following the protocol due to the success once you are through. I live in Southern Cal and the Dr is located at Newport Beach.
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I also noticed some discrepancies that I would like clarification on. However, KT did explain the melba toast. He explained that his experience has been that the melba toast slowed the weight loss. I loaned out my book, so I can not refer back to it at this moment to jog my memory of the discrepancies I noticed, but the massage was one of them. I do not recall the no fat part, but the 100 grams of meat for lunch and dinner would naturally contain some fat anyway; even lean meat contains a little fat. I wish KT himself would enter this forum and clear it all up. Maybe he will, who knows...
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Permalink Reply by Rocco Supino Jr on
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There might be some reasoning for a massage insofar as helping the elimination process and effecting each of the organs, soft tissue, blood and energy pathways along the meridians (acupuncture points) in a positive way. As far as all those other issues, if they make you uncomfortable, "don't do it".
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Permalink Reply by Ruben on -
In regards to the breadsticks read page 123 of KT's book it states that the breadsticks will slow down the fat burning process. I tink that you should't take omega 3 during phase 2 because he wants us to eliminate all oil consumption. I guess there are some changes, like KT sates Simeons diet was back in the 50's and 60's so I htink he updated some things maybe for legal reasons so it won't be exactly the same. Keep up the great job!!!!
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Permalink Reply by Taimi on
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I believe the melba toast was removed by Trudeau perhaps because the formula in making them has changed (I'm trying to remember what I read)....it was mentioned I believe in the question and answer portion of his diet cures book.
Also the massages in the Trudeau book are of the Thai version with all your clothes on (mostly stretching techniques)....eliminating the need for the creams and oils.
I don't recall seeing the Vitamin and the Acetyl L Camitine on any list recommended during the protocol....but perhaps after the end of the last shot during the 21 day period or Phase III.
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Permalink Reply by Swtsour on
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I did notice the discrepancies as well, however, as many have said, Simeon's plan was over 40 years ago. Things now contain so many chemicals I believe that's why Trudeau made some changes. I'm on day 5 of Phase II & lost 7lbs since Monday, however, I'm extremely hungry & get headaches. If anyone here is in Phase II or finished, how do you cope with the limited amount of food selection? It's hard for me, because I don't like seafood, so I'm stuck w/just chicken or beef, grilled or boiled, and I'm bored already & barely hitting day 6. Trudeau says you can combined veggies in the same meal, so it makes it more difficult. Any suggestions?
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Permalink Reply by jackie on -
Hello, this is our second time on phase 2, yes it is hard, but it is worth it in the end, my daughter was getting headaches, because she wasn't drinking enough water and tea. I tend to get headaches too, but if I drink my few cups of coffee throughout the day, i get no headache. Guzzle that water and tea-1/2 to 1 gallon per day. It also helps with the hunger, get hungry, guzzle water. And find something to keep you mind busy, so it doesn't have time to think about food. Our first time on phase 2, I lost 20 pounds in 23 days. And now 8 days into our second round, I've lost 8 pounds. You can have white meat fish also, and do a search here for HCG Recipes, I found some great one, which makes it more interesting. Good Luck!
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Permalink Reply by Linda on -
Hi Swtwour, I did my first p2 last spring, I quickly got sick of the diet. I am getting ready to do p2 once again. I ordered a cook book that has lot of recipes for p2, its great. I paid 39.95 for it and here is the e-mail to buy it and have it down loaded to you computer. Her e-mail is musiclovertammy@yahoo.com, it really makes the diet easier. Hope this helps.
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Permalink Reply by Sydney Eller on -
I just finished my 45 days on Phase 2. The diet I followed adds some choices that Trudeau didn't. I could have beef, chicken, veal, buffalo, cod, sole or halibut. The fish was great baked in parchment with spinach or chard on top or with a tomato-onion-cilantro salsa put on top after baking. I didn't experience headaches or hungerpains because I used LifeWave SP6 hunger suppressant patches with acupressure beads. I got them at spaceagehealing.com. I only needed them for the first 7 days. Good luck to you.
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