Eating meat and fish is the best way to eat and control weight be healthy and help our planet.
Having meat and fish is the best way to eat and keeps one healthy. This shows great respect for nature and our fellow beings when we cut, bleed and eat their flesh. In fact it is so healthy that we would die if we would stop eating them for even a single day.
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Permalink Reply by Karen on -
Dear Roy,
From the photos in the book 'Autobiography of a Yogi' as well as the vegetarian followers of Indian gurus saturating the area i live in, they don't look healthy to me. Yogananda was quite chubby and had a very feminine appearance. The other yogis were deeply lined, some quite emaciated, others rather overweight and almost all of them male.
They also were 'stricken with illness' quite regularly. This was attributed to 'karma' and then there were many 'miraculous' healings.
The only one who seemed to be in perfect health was the avatar Babaji, but there was only an artists impression of him. The female saint who was living on prana alone for 40+ years looked severely emaciated and anorexic. I am pretty certain one can survive this way, but not have babies this way. The power they had was undeniable. But then they weren't procreating or indulging in physical labour/activity either.
I totally applaud your choice for choosing this lifestyle. But it is a 'monk's' lifestyle nonetheless. It also seems to me very masculine. Seeing food merely as fuel, and 'trading up' until you don't need it at all. I'm sorry but it doesn't interest me. I have great respect for it. Like I have for those who climb Mt Everest, or Travel to the Moon. It takes great courage, determination, and focus. But I prefer the feminine sensual appeal of food, just like Deni and many others.
I don't eat to survive. I eat to nourish and regenerate. I eat to feed and support my as yet unborn children. All I'm asking is the same respect back from you Roy. Please don't send me any more vegetarian propaganda links. Its not like I haven't seen them before or thought and researched it quite deeply. I am just as capable of acheiving a higher spiritual and emotional state without going vegetarian. I enjoy being part of the circle of life here on Earth. This is my experience and my choice.
Love
Karen.
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Permalink Reply by Jessica on -
Karen, you raise some really good points. Just because something is possible, does that mean I need to do it? Or even want to do it?
I love cooking and baking! It's a creative outlet for me. I love being able to express love for my family by making them a nice hot meal that I've put a lot of effort and love into. I even love to grocery shop. I love all the time I've spent bonding with my family as we "break bread" together. I think eating together brings families and communities closer.
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Permalink Reply by Karen on
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Hey Jessica,
what you described is a distinctly feminine approach to food and health. I understand completely what you're saying. It is what I love to do too.
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Permalink Reply by roy on -
Pretty Karen,
Thanks for expressing. Treating every word you write with understanding.
I am not promoting vegetarianism, being a non veg from birth and knowing how difficult it is for one to change a lifestyle, achieved and conditioned through so many past lives and reinforced by the masses. Have you ever seen a hypnotist in a show where he hypnotizes somebody from the audience? When one is hypnotized one believes that what he/she is doing is always right.
What you see around you may be imitations of yogis and those who suppress their desires. Energy cannot be suppressed and this leads to many of those pretending to give up on so many desires to fall back later.
I am not to be misunderstood, I am for expressing. I do not believe in suppressing. I have enjoyed from birth the best of food, spicy, sweet, home cooked and restaurant, laden with fat and sugar....and then suddenly this urge to eat just fell off. It was something I did not do. I still eat organic fruits and vegetables when I feel like it. Sometimes just nuts.
A monk is someone who gives up all (suppressing all desires), I am not doing that. I eat and drink when I feel like it. We have to balance out the materialistic and spiritual plane. Just as a musical instrument when tuned wrongly will only make noise and not play the right tune, we have to be in tune.
Love and Hugs,
Roy
PS - This yogi is alive - follow this link. Let me know your opinion of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_Jnra2O9Fc
also check out this info about him on the controversial 'wikipedia' site
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swami_Ramdev
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Permalink Reply by Karen on
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Roy honey,
that first link is over an hour long. My computer is exceedingly old and slow. However I gleaned some info from people's comments. From the Wikipedia, he sounds very cool. I understand the importance of alignment, posture, breathing, stretching, and the wonders the practice of yoga and breathing exercises can accomplish. How old is this yogi? He looks young and healthy.
Also, you many not be a monk literally, but you eat like one. That was my point. It is a diet condusive to meditating, sitting in caves for days on end, contemplating the spiritual and not being part of the physical world. It is your journey though, and I have nothing but respect for where you're at and how you're listening to your body right now. I guess I am trying to warn you about becoming so obsessed about a particular way of eating, you ignore signs from your body when it is telling you a change is needed. Most ilkely when something needs repairing or maintaining. I see many people so engrossed in a particular eating style that to change it is inconceivable or seen as a betrayal, and they wind up suffering for it. I would hate to see that happen to you.
Do you also understand there is a big difference in cleansing/healing the body and nourishing/rebuilding the body? They are yin and yang to me nutritionally speaking. Both need to be balanced to be free of disease and maintain health long term.
What cleans and heals the body doesn't always rebuild and maintain it. Vegan raw foodists may have healed themselves of all kinds of ailments initially, but their scrawny underweight low energy bodies 5-10 years later tell another story. Trust me I dated one for a while, and there is no way he could give me a healthy baby! And he was born with an excellent constitution too.
Personally, I would rather be 'hypnotised' and bring forth beautiful healthy children. Ones who are born with a full head of hair, and nails needing trimming immediately they are born, ones with wide faces and a horseshoe shaped jaw with plenty of room for the teeth to come in straight, ones who is not allergic to everything under the sun, ones who can pick up his/her head after one week. Ones who have a sunny disposition and a joy to be around. Ones who rarely cry. Ones whose immune system is more than able to cope with disease.
Perhaps after that I will give high fat vegetarianism a try. I wasn't born with the best of constitutions, was brought up on white bread, margarine and sugar mostly. Lots of dental and orthodontics, problems with food, energy levels etc. I am certain if my constitution was much stronger I could go vego. I would be able to convert the carotenes much more efficiently than what I can now. My internal organs would be much stronger and able to cope than what they are at the moment. Until then, I want to make sure I am fully stocked and able to produce the healthiest child(ren) possible.
I'm sorry if I was a little brusque with you earlier, but have had a few run ins with some particularly idiotic arrogant vegos during the week here in Aus, and my tolerance levels were getting low.
Love and hugs,
Karen.
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Permalink Reply by roy on
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Lovely Karen,
Your words can never hurt;-) It is the sharing and connection between us which is of the most value. There will always be some disagreement and that can never be avoided. We all have different ways of thinking and understanding.
Karen, as I said before, there are many things which the media,teachers.... wants us to believe. We have embraced all that is artificial and everything around us is unnatural. We have chosen to allow the natural to fall away and hence we suffer. We consider the images of healthy from the prespective of images of health shown by media...
All this dogma has all become our belief and reality. Almost a century back we would never believe that a plane would fly, such a heavy object? People used to actually ridicule the Wright brothers.
There are religious beliefs which compell one to become a veg. Karen maybe you dated one of those. When someone is forced it creates a negative energy flow. This shows in all that one does. When something is done with love and interest, there is a positive energy flow which enhances the work, bringing a new quality to it.
Hence we need to experience first hand.
All that we read, hear or see may have some real credibility when we know.
Please let me know what you think of this.
Love and hugs,
Roy
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Permalink Reply by Karen on
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Dear Roy,
I am not disagreeing with your above opinion. However as it is the only thing you wrote about, I need to ask you: Do you believe that I base my opinion on what constitutes good health on the media? That I have not done my own questioning, researching and analzying? That I have not experienced for myself and watched in others what happens with particular diets?? Your reply seems to suggest that you do not. This disappointed me.
Also, the guy I dated had no religious beliefs. He had merely run out of his store of vitamin A, and living on a low-fat, low cholesterol diet, he had very little sex hormones left in his body, or ability to convert carotenes into vitamin A. Vitamin A and cholesterol are precursers for the sex horomones in both male and female. Perhaps another reason monks find it easier to abstain from sex. Their diet dictates it. They may believe it is a higher spiritual energy flow. I'm sure it would encourage more spiritual beliefs and practices,without having raging hormones vying for your attention.
Ironically enough this guy was very much wanting to be sexually active, but his body was not. He had the mind of a warrior, and the diet of a monk. Not a good combination if one is wanting to have a good sex life and bring forth healthy children.
Your way of eating and spirituality is very masculine. There is nothing wrong with that. Mine is feminine. There is nothing wrong with that. I am giving you honour and acknowledgement of how you are living your life. You are not giving me back that same honour. It upsets me.
Love,
Karen.
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