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Permalink Reply by Rhonda Duckworth on December 30, 2007 at 2:41am

Jamie,

I have not been on this website for a few weeks. I am so sorry that I did not see this sooner. I read your diary that you started on Dec 24th. I hope that you are not using insulin needles. If you do, then you will be likely to end up with a wrong dose. I know that is not what you want to hear, but it is the truth. Insulin syringes are for insulin ONLY. 50 units of insulin IS NOT the same as 50 units of hCG. It may be less, it may be more depending on how it is mixed. TB syringes would have been a good choice, but not insulin syringes. I hope that you read my other posts on this discussion because I have pointed this out before.

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Permalink Reply by DT on December 24, 2007 at 6:36pm

Jamie

-Concern on potency?-
If you refrigerate your HcG after it has been mixed, it will last up to 60 days.
HcG can last at room temperature for up to 48hours

-The math behind the science!-
If you have 10,000 I.U. in a 10ml vial of bacteriostatic water, then you basically have 1,000 I.U. for every 1 ml of liquid.

10,000 IU / 10 cc = 1,000 IU per CC which is the same as 500 IU per 1/2 CC

So, if you injected 1ml (cc same as ml) then you would be injecting 1,000 IU's, which is way too much.

If you inject 50 on your insulin syringe, assuming its a 1cc with 100 units written on it, then it would have 500 IU

If your syringe can only hold 1/2cc then you know that if you filled it up, based on the above, it would have 500 IU

So, if you want 250 IU's, then fill your 1/2 cc insulin syringe up to 25

-Be Safe, Always!-
Rule of thumb, you only care about how much I.U.'s you want to administer. Once you know that, then determine how many I.U's per CC. Since your syringes only can hold 1/2 cc, then you know that the most you could administer is 500 IU if you filled the whole thing up.

So, you want 200 IU? That would be 20 on your 1/2 cc insulin syringe

Now, you will read a debate between IM (intra-muscular) or under the skin in the fatty area (Sub-cutaneous) aka: subQ

With an insulin syringe, you will need to go SubQ. Best place for that would be lower abdomen where you have the least fatty tissue. Area where the thigh meets the lower stomach. Pinch the skin, hold the needle like a dart and insert.
You should read up on how to administer a SQ inject using an insulin syringe.

IMPORTANT NOTE
My post is not gospel, I am assuming you have alcohol swabs and are careful not to contaminate your syringe before administering, so please follow the protocol your doctor provided before injecting into your body. This will ensure a safe and sterile administration.

NEVER INJECT UNLESS YOU HAVE CLEAN HANDS, UNUSED NEEDLE, ALCOHOL SWABS, CONTAINER TO DISPOSE OF NEEDLES (PLASTIC MILK JUG WILL WORK)

Good Luck!

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Permalink Reply by Chris Robinson on December 26, 2007 at 3:25am

ive read the instructions myself 100 times and still don't understand, no idea why

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Permalink Reply by Geri on December 29, 2007 at 5:11pm

As a friend I would like to ask you if I should do this diet. I am 60, overweight, really mad about it, I have gained 25 pounds in the past 24 months. I came off of estrogen stuff because I felt it was un natural and could lead to other problems because I have mild blood pressure. So..........I gain weight and what can be worse, the weight or what...I am really upset, want to lost these pounds. Should you have any suggestions either way, with all my heart I would appreciate it. Thank you and Happy New Year. Geri

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Permalink Reply by Rhonda Duckworth on December 30, 2007 at 2:30am

Hi Geri,

In my opinion you have nothing to lose, except weight of course. HCG is as safe as it gets as far as wight loss methods go. Good luck!

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Permalink Reply by lee on December 31, 2007 at 9:34am

Hi Rhonda,

i was referred to your page. I sure could use some advice. I got my hcg from GHI medical and they also sent me 4 packages of 1/2 cc insulin syringes. They sent me 1 10,000 vial of hcg and a 10 ml vial of bacteriostatic water. They want me to inject 250 units sub Q, I want to inject in the muscle. For one, I do not have a lot of loose fat that I can pick up and squeeze. I want to lose 30 lbs and I know that in Pounds and Inches it says never inject into the fat. Can you tell me what kind of syringes I should order and how I would calculate the 10,000 vial to the 10 ml water.

I am thinking that they could have sent me just the 5,000 unit vial and if I had done the 125 units that would have cost a lot less than what they charged me. Can you give me advice as a friend?

Lee

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Permalink Reply by jesusfrk on January 31, 2008 at 8:02pm

Rhonda,

I know how to do all the mathematics for the hcg. What I don't quite understand is getting it into sterile bottles.

I have an hcg that came in a sterile bottle with a break-off top on it. I'm assuming I will break this off and mix the bacteriostatic water in it to liquify.

Is there something I need to do in the empty sterile (rubber stopper top) bottle prior to injecting the liquid hcg into it? I thought I've read somewhere that you need to insert a needled syringe in the stopper and remove air from the bottle's interior to make room for the fluids. Is that correct?

Thank you so much for your help.

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Permalink Reply by kimmiestuff on February 20, 2008 at 1:46pm

Kathleen, I copied and pasted from a post by "Gidget" awhile back. Hope this helps!

You want two (2) 5000 IU ampoules ($66 USD) or 6 1500 IU ampoules ($89.95 USD) for a 45 day treatment. The difference to consider between choosing the 5000 IU and the 1500 IU has only to do with how long the Pregnyl stays fresh in the fridge after mixing. It has been stated by several different people who are doing research on this that the hcg will last up to one month in the fridge. AND it probably will??? If you are willing to spend the extra $24 (for 6 1500 IU ampoules) you would be mixing a new batch of hcg every week. So it would only stay in the fridge for 7-8 days instead of 25-28. You would be more assured of the hcg not losing it’s potency. You only use what you need and discard the remainder.

Here is an overview on the mixing process:

If you bought 5000 IU then that would give you 25 doses of 200 IU or 28 doses of 175 IU. The recommended dosage mentioned in KT's book is 175-200 IU (Read page 123 in KT’s book in the question “Has there been any changes to Dr. Simeons’ “Weight loss Protocol”?). This is important!! You need to first decide want size dose you are going to take. More is not necessarily better. Your body could become immune to the HCG near the end of your treatment if the dosage is too high. You should read what Dr. Simeons has to say about it on page 7 of his manuscript. What you need to consider is “how toxic are you?” If you did some of the cleansing in phase 1 and/or have been eating organic foods etc., then you should consider using 175 IU. If you are going right into Phase 2 without doing any of Phase 1 and haven’t done any body cleansing you might be better off with 200 IU. That is the best general advice to offer.

The powder comes in concentrated form and there is an amount of liquid to mix it with. If the amount they have given you is 1 ml. then that will give you 1 ml of 5000 IU. This is far too small to try to divide up into 25 doses. So, the site that discussed Pregnyl suggested that what you do is dilute it with your own bacteriostatic water. That is sterile water that you get from a medical supply site, or your local pharmacy, that is safe for injecting.

IMPORTANT! DO NOT MIX TWO DIFFERENT LIQUIDS WITH THE HCG. The HCG comes with 1 ml of isotonic sodium chloride. You do not want to mix this with any of the bacteriostatic water mentioned above. You only want to use "one" liquid to dissolve the powder, SO DISCARD THE LIQUID IT COMES WITH!!!

Now you dilute your own Pregnyl in a very sterile environment. You want to make the doses easy to manage. So you can give yourself the same dosage each morning.

IMPORTANT SUGGESTION:

Here is what I learned when mixing my first batch of hcg: When I went to withdraw the hcg to place it in the BC water, I quickly realized that the needle was too short to reach the bottom of the ampoule. The ampoules are 2” deep and I have 1” needles. So I had to tilt the ampoule on its side to get the mixture close enough to withdraw and it took some time to get it all in the syringe. You don’t want to miss any because it will affect the dosage formula of the mixture.

I discussed the issue with LisaRN and she confirmed that you CAN invert the ampoule (turn it upside down) WITH the hcg in it and the mix will not come out. It is simple physics. The design of the ampoule creates a vacuum in the ampoule that prevents the mix from draining out. It sounds crazy and it is scary to do because you don’t want to lose the HCG. But it works.

So here is our suggestion: Take the water ampoule that comes with your HCG and PRACTICE WITH IT until you are comfortable (you will be throwing that water away anyway). Tips: NEVER insert AIR into the ampoule like you do when you withdraw from a vial. The inserted air breaks the vacuum and all the liquid will come out very fast. Secondly, just put the point of the needle in far enough to be in the liquid. Then draw back VERY SLOWLY. At the end, you may need to tilt the ampoule to get the very last drops.

Again, practice with the water ampoule FIRST until you are comfortable with the process.

Mixing procedure: FOR 200 IU INJECTIONS WITH A 5000 IU AMPOULE OF PREGNYL:

Note: You should first set out all your mixing materials. Then wash your hands (preferably with an anti-bacterial soap). Dry with a CLEAN towel or paper towel.

Important Tip: Regarding opening the glass ampoule of HCG: Sometimes glass ampoules are a little tricky to open. To open, cleanse the top with alcohol, use the wrapper the alcohol wipe comes in to cover the top of the ampoule (i.e. use the inside portion of the wrapper) and snap quickly away from you. You can also use the alcohol wipe itself. This way, you won't cut yourself with the glass (which I have done numerous times)!

•Swab the top of the 30cc bacteriostatic water vial with rubbing alcohol AND the top of a new sterile GLASS vial with rubbing alcohol (using a new swab for the Glass vial).
•Using a 30cc syringe - draw out 25cc/ml of BC water.
•Replace needle.
•Inject 1cc into Pregnyl ampoule to mix HCG powder (slowly down the side). DO NOT let the needle touch anything, even the hcg ampoule. If it does, replace the needle before the next step.
•Inject 24cc of BC water into the new Glass vial.
•Swish the liquid slowly in the HCG ampoule until it is all dissolved (Never shake it).
•With a new 3cc syringe draw out the 1cc/ml of Pregnyl.
•Replace the needle.
•Swab the Glass vial and inject the Pregnyl into the new sterile Glass vial containing the 24 cc/ml of BC water.

Now you have 25 doses of 1 ml each. 1 ml. = 1 cc. You would now draw 1 cc. of the mixture into a new 3cc syringe each morning and that should give you your 200 IU Dose

Of course, always remember to swab the top of the rubber on the vial each time for your daily injections.

DO NOT TOUCH THE NEEDLE!

Mixing procedure: FOR 175 IU INJECTIONS WITH A 5000 IU AMPOULE OF PREGNYL:

The mixing procedure is exactly the same as the 200 IU procedure EXCEPT you would draw out 28.5 cc. of bacteriostatic water instead of 25 cc. of BC water. Now you have 28 doses of 1 ml each. 1 ml. = 1 cc. You would now draw 1 cc. of the mixture into a new 3cc syringe each morning and that will give you your 175 IU Dose.

Mixing procedure: FOR 200 IU INJECTIONS WITH A 1500 IU AMPOULE OF PREGNYL:

The mixing procedure is exactly the same as the above procedure EXCEPT you would draw out 7.5 cc. of bacteriostatic water instead of 25 cc. of BC water. Now you have 7 doses of 1 ml each. 1 ml. = 1 cc. You would now draw 1 cc. of the mixture into a new 3cc syringe each morning and that should give you your 200 IU Dose.

Mixing procedure: FOR 175 IU INJECTIONS WITH A 1500 IU AMPOULE OF PREGNLY:

The mixing procedure is exactly the same as the above procedure EXCEPT you would draw out 8.5 cc. of bacteriostatic water instead of 25 cc. of BC water. Now you have 8 doses of 1 ml each. 1 ml. = 1 cc. You would now draw 1 cc. of the mixture into a new 3cc syringe each morning and that should give you your 175 IU Dose.

Mixing procedure: FOR HCGMAIL users 1000 IU ampoules WITH DAILY injections:

The mixing procedure is exactly the same as the above procedure EXCEPT you would draw out 5.7 cc of bacteriostatic water for 175 IU injections and 5cc of bacteriostatic water for 200 IU injections IF you are doing daily injections. If you are going to follow hcgmails protocol of 500 IU every other day, then these suggestions don’t apply to you.

Syringes and mixing supplies

You can get your syringes, bacteriostatic water, empty sterile vials, and needles from:
www.androusa.com (ask for Ken – great personal service, FAST DELIVERY).
www.researchsupply.net
www.gpzservices.com

It is recommended that you change the needle after you draw out your daily injection form the HCG ampoule. This is due to the fact that the needle will dull up to 50% when it pierces through the hard rubber top of the vial. A new SHARP needle will cause you less pain when injecting.

Use a GLASS vial to store your mixed hcg in: Many have questioned why they can’t just use the 30cc vial the BC water comes in. That vial is PLASTIC. Plastic is okay for water but there is a reason medications come in GLASS vials for storage. Also, the Glass vial blocks uva and uvb light that could break down the HCG.

You should order: FOR 5000 IU AMPOULES

•1 box (100) of 25g-30g x 1" 3cc luer lock syringe and needle combo
•50-100 extra luer lock 25g–30g x 1" needles
•2 30cc sterile vials
•2 30cc syringes
•2 30cc vials of bacteriostatic water

You should order: FOR 1500 IU AMPOULES

•1 box (100) of 25g-30g x 1" 3cc luer lock syringe and needle combo
•50-100 extra luer lock 25g–30g x 1" needles
•6 10cc sterile vials
•6 10cc syringes
•2 30cc vials of bacteriostatic water

The supplies mentioned above will provide you with enough materials to do one 45 day program.

For two 45 day programs you will need to order:

•You should order the same amount of syringe/needle combos (100)
•100 extra needles (instead of 50)
•Then double the amount of 10cc or 30ccc syringes
•Double the amount of sterile vials
•Double the amount of 30cc vials of bacteriostatic water

Daily injections:

It is recommended that your HCG be at room temperature when you inject it (it stings more when it is cold). So, once you have filled your syringe put the needle cover back on, (remember, don’t touch the needle) then put the vial back into the fridge and let the syringe sit out until it warms up. Don’t let the vial stay out in room temperature for very long.

•Swab the top of the GLASS vial containing your hcg with a rubbing alcohol swab. Draw out the hcg
•Replace the needle
•Swab your skin with a rubbing alcohol swab. Let it dry slightly.
•Give yourself the injection

Discard the syringe and needles in a hard plastic container, such as a Tide bottle. Secure the top with the original cap and then place them into the trash. That way no one is exposed to needle sticks.

How to Inject:

For a detailed description on how to do an injection, please go to these sites:

www.bodybuildingprogramzone.com/Articles/article184.htm
www.anabolic-pharma.com

TIPS FOR INJECTING:

For Pictures of the areas to inject: www.spotinjections.com. And http://www.firstivf.net/injection_sites.jpg
(A picture is worth a thousand words)

Rotate your injection sites and relax the muscle:

When administering HCG please rotate your injection sites: do not inject into the same spot 2 days in a row.

Repeated injections into the same site can cause abscesses. Use your upper arms (deltoid muscle), front of thigh (quadriceps muscle), and upper, outer corner of buttocks.

It is important to not inject into the center of the buttock as one could easily hit or damage the sciatic nerve.

A good suggestion is to rotate your injections as follows: right quad (leg), left quad, right arm, left arm, right gluteus (buttock), and then left gluteus.

This will help to prevent abscesses and scar tissue building up over the 40-45 days of injections.

The muscle should be somewhat relaxed but this is often difficult when injecting yourself because we tend to tense up. Be that as it may:
•Injecting into the glutes: To relax the glutes, put most of your weight on the opposite leg and stand in a
relaxed tip-toe stance or bend your leg slightly on the glute you are injecting (hope that made sense!)
•Injecting into the arm: hold the arm at a 90 degree angle
•If injecting into the leg: just be sitting down.

Some additional important tips are:

Length of needle:

It is most commonly believed that a 1” needle is needed for most of our applications. That is long enough to reach deep in the muscle for better absorption of the HCG. The recommended injection method is IM (intramuscular). It is possible you may need a 1 1⁄2” needle. This would be necessary if the amount of fat you have in the injection site is substantial. Below is a tip from an RN:

A 1 1/2" needle for the arm or leg is quite long unless you have a fair amount of subq tissue (fat in that area). Something easy to do to check: pinch the fat on the front of leg and arm (not the back of the arm, the side of the arm, deltoid muscle) to see how much you have. If you can easily feel muscle then use a 1", if you
can pinch an inch or more of tissue and cannot feel muscle then the longer needle is ok. You don't want to hit bone or blood vessels. I think a 1/2" needle is too short for an IM injection.

How Much to Inject:

The above instructions give you 1 ml doses. For anyone wishing to mix daily doses of a greater size, then you must realize that you should not inject more than 1 cc. into the arm---3cc in all muscles except the arm, which is no more than 1cc. It has to do with absorption of the medication r/t muscle size.

In conclusion: It took countless hours of research on the web, asking questions to pharmacists, on the phone with medical supply companies and reading and responding to post on this forum to come to the conclusions that this post lays out. We are happy and delighted to share this with everyone.

Please read and re-read this information until you are comfortable with it. We did not explain in each step how we came to these conclusions. We felt that would make this post too lengthy. But every suggestion here has been discussed and researched at length before we included it in this list of suggestions.


The information below is from a bodybuilding site. Ignore any reference to steriods or oil. Also the needle sizes talked about are for steriod use. Use the needle recommendations mentioned in the above post.

How to Inject -Tips and Traps
Basic Terms:
What is an intramuscular (IM) injection?
A technique to deliver a medication into muscle tissue for it's eventual absorption into the systemic circulation. Steroids, both oil and water-based, are administered this way.


What is a subcutaneous (sub-q) injection?
A technique to deliver a medication into the soft tissue (fat) immediately underlying the skin. Insulin, HCG, and HGH are typically administered this way.


What is aspiration?
To aspirate is to withdraw fluid with a syringe. More specifically, after inserting the needle, pulling back on the plunger of the syringe for a few seconds to see if the needle is in a blood vessel. Rarely, this will be the case and a bit of blood will fill the syringe. If this happens the needle should be removed, replaced with a new one, and another injection site should be used. And yes, if there is a little blood in your syringe, it is ok to inject it along with your steroid once you have found a different spot..........it's your own blood isn't it?

When aspirating, nothing should come back into the syringe if you are in the right spot. Pulling back on the plunger will create a vacuum in your syringe. The oil cannot expand to fill that space, but any air bubbles in your syringe will. You may notice the tiny bubbles getting bigger and bigger as you pull back. They will return to normal size as you release the plunger. If the air bubbles do not disappear upon releasing the plunger, you have an air leak most likely caused by the needle not being screwed onto the syringe tightly enough, although on very rare occasions, the syringe or needle itself can be defective. Either way, purge the air bubbles out, put a new needle on and try it again.

Tips and Traps
Do I really need to aspirate?
Those who inject without aspirating are taking unnecessary chances. Sweating, nausea, dizziness, severe coughing, breathing difficulties, anaphylactic shock, coma or death can all result from not aspirating. Most of the time, steroid users experience dizziness and coughing fits when they inject into a blood vessel. But you need to be aware of the dangers of neglecting this simple technique that should take about 3-5 seconds of your time.


What exactly is an abscess?
Abscesses occur when an area of tissue becomes infected and the body is able to "wall off" the infection and keep it from spreading. White blood cells migrate through the walls of the blood vessels into the area of the infection and collect within the damaged tissue. During this process, pus forms (an accumulation of fluid, living and dead white blood cells, dead tissue, and bacteria or other foreign invaders or materials).

Abscesses can form in almost every part of the body and may be caused by bacteria, parasites, or foreign materials. Most of the time, it is caused by unsanitary injection techniques. On very rare occasions, it can be caused by foreign particles your gear (a greater chance of this occurs when using/making a homebrew). The abscesses that we are concerned about are usually reddish, raised, and painful.


How do they treat an abscess?
Antibiotics are often given to aid the cure of an abscess but the real cure is generally surgical. A doctor would open the thing up and allow the pus to drain, then the body would take care of the infection. Some have even gone so far as to "drain" their own abscesses by inserting a needle/syringe into the abscessed area and drawing out the accumulated pus, although this is not recommended.


Can I reuse the same needle?
Yes, but only if you are an idiot or cannot obtain anymore needles. There really is no need to explain why you shouldn't re-use a needle. Common sense should kick in here, but the bottom line of re-using needles is an INCREASED CHANCE OF INFECTION. If you have trouble obtaining needles in your area, try finding a different way of getting them. The hassle of finding a source is negligible compared to the hassle of the abscess in your a** that would most-likely require a doctor and a scalpel. There are methods to "sterilize" a needle for re-use, but I will not delve into them. If you are still considering re-using a needle, re-read the above two questions.


Can I inject with the same needle I draw with?
Yes, but it is preferable to switch the needle out with a new one. The needle dulls significantly when pushed into the rubber stopper of your vial or scraped along the bottom of your amp. You may not notice the difference if you inject into your glute, but try injecting into an area that has more nerve endings such as a delt or bicep and you will notice immediately.


Does it matter if I push the needle in fast or slow?
I would recommend slowly, but this is personal preference. A lot of people will tell you to jab the needle in quickly. These people usually stop that practice after the first time they hit a nerve going in at full speed (usually quad shots). By going in slowly, you'll have more time to react if you hit a nerve.


Where exactly do I inject?
A picture is worth a thousand words.
www.spotinjections.com


What gauge needles should I use?
for drawing - 20g, 21g

18g needles are too big and they will eat up your stoppers in a hurry. A bigger hole means an increased chance of letting some little nasties into your sterile vial. Sometimes, the 18g will take out little chunks of rubber that fall nicely into your vial. That is not something you want. Imagine injecting that tiny piece of rubber into your muscle. I'll bet the doctor would have lots of fun digging into your muscle trying to find it and mutilating your muscle in the process.....

for injecting - 22g, 23g, 25g - for oil-based steroids, 27g, 29g - for insulin, HCG, HGH, and some water-based steroids. 21g-25g for some lower quality types of winny or suspension, higher quality versions can use a smaller needle generally.

22g and 23g are fine for glutes and quads. 25g is preferred for the smaller muscles such as delts, biceps, triceps, etc.


What length needles should I use?
Most people can get by with a 1" needle, but if you have a higher percentage of body fat or are just plain big you should use a 1.5" needle to insure that you get deep into the muscle. You should only use a 1.5" needle for glutes, or if you have huge quads. For smaller muscle groups, 1" is the most common, although some people like to use a 5/8".


How many ccs can I shoot in one place?
It depends on how big you are. A general guideline is 1cc for delts, 2cc for quads, and up to 3ccs for glutes. Some do more, some do less......it all depends. After a cycle or two, you will know what your body can handle. If you are injecting into other muscles such as biceps, triceps, or calves, it's best to start off with a small volume and work your way up.


Can I pre-load my syringes?
If at all possible, leave it in the vial or amp. If you need to pre-load, just keep in mind that the syringe must be stored safely. Nothing sucks more than having the plunger pushed in accidentally and losing some of your gear.


Common Problems

I can't get all the tiny air bubbles out of my syringe....
As long as you tap it and get most of the air out, you will be fine. A little air intramuscular won't hurt you. According to the USH2 by Dan Ducaine, it supposedly takes about 10ccs of air injected into a blood vessel to kill you. I wonder how the hell they figured that one out.

I saw blood in the syringe after I pulled out....
You passed through a blood vessel and a little bit of blood entered the syringe on the way out. No biggie.

I pulled the needle out and blood dripped/squirted out....
You passed through a blood vessel. Apply a little pressure with your alcohol swab. You'll live.

I pulled the needle out and oil was dribbling out....
You injected too much in one place or you didn't inject deep enough. No biggie. Try injecting slower or leaving the needle in you for 30 seconds after you have injected it all. This should give the oil some time to dissipate so very little, if any, should dribble out.

I injected into my quad, and my leg was twitching....
You grazed a nerve. Usually it's a good idea to pull out and try another spot.

I don't think I injected deep enough....
If you think you injected into a layer of fat, don't worry. It will just take longer for the steroid to dissipate than it would if you had injected into the muscle. Eventually it will be absorbed. Don't let anyone tell you that you wasted it because that is not true.

Where exactly do I inject?
A picture is worth a thousand words.
www.spotinjections.com
Which is the best brand of needle?
Terumo, B-D, and Monoject are the primary manufacturers of needles/syringes. Both Terumo and B-D have an ultra-thin wall design (the wall of the needle is thinner, so more fluid can pass through the same gauge of needle). From personal experience as well as opinions from many other steroid users, Terumo seems to be the sharpest.

How to Inject

Step 1
Wash your hands.
Step 2
Wipe the top of the vial of medication for injection with an alcohol swab.
Step 3
Remove the needle guard from the needle and syringe, saving the needle guard. Be sure you are using a proper syringe for intramuscular injections. Pull back on the syringe plunger to draw up an amount of air equal to the amount of medication that your doctor has prescribed for injection. For example, if you want to inject 2ccs of oil, then pull back 2ccs of air.
Step 4
Holding the vial of medication in an upright position, insert the needle straight through the center of the rubber stopper in the vial. Then push the plunger to discharge all the air into the vial.
Step 5
With the needle in the vial, turn the vial upside down and hold it in one hand. The tip of the needle should be in the solution. Using your free hand, pull the plunger back in a slow, continuous motion until you have drawn into the syringe the amount of medication that your doctor has prescribed.
Step 6
If air bubbles have formed in the syringe, dislodge them by gently tapping the syringe with your free hand while continuing to hold the syringe and vial in the inverted position. Bubbles should rise to the top of the syringe, and then you can push them back into the vial by moving the plunger. Double check to make sure you have the correct amount of medication in the syringe. If necessary, draw more solution into the syringe.
Step 7
Remove the needle from the vial. With the needle pointing upwards, pull back on the plunger until all oil from the needle has been pulled back into the syringe. Unscrew needle from syringe and replace with a brand new, preferrably smaller needle. Replace needle guard.
Step 8
Prepare the injection site by cleaning the area with an alcohol swab. To do this start at the center, apply pressure, and cleanse in a circular motion working outward. Do not retrace your steps.
Step 9
Wait a few seconds until the alcohol has dried. This reduces the sting. Remove the needle guard from the needle and syringe. With the needle pointing upwards, tap the syringe to dislodge the air bubbles and push the air out of the needle until you see a tiny drop of oil start to form at the tip. Hold the syringe as you would a pencil.
Step 10
Holding the syringe at a right angle (perpendicular) to the prepared injection site and insert the needle.
Step 11
When the needle is in place, slowly pull back on the plunger to see if any blood flows into the syringe. If some blood does enter the syringe (a rare occurrence), remove the needle, replace the needle with a new one, find another area to inject. Repeat Step 8.
Step 12
If no blood enters the syringe, slowly inject the medication by gently pushing the plunger until the syringe is empty.
Step 13
Remove the needle quickly. Apply pressure to the injection site with your alcohol swab. You're done. Massage area.

GOOD LUCK!!!!

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Permalink Reply by kimmiestuff on February 23, 2008 at 3:28pm

read the long post 3 msgs above this one....

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Permalink Reply by Lynnette Swans on February 29, 2008 at 11:42am

Rhonda, Tyler says he knows how to mix for subq, but he is not online--he gives a phone number. Do you know how to mix for subq injections? I will give you all of my information, but I wanted to ask first. I would be using an insulin syringe and injecting into my belly. By the way, I did not know that Anna Nicole died of a bad injection? What was she injecting into her body?

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Permalink Reply by kimmiestuff on February 29, 2008 at 11:55am

Hi Lynette,

I follow this thread and saw your post. I thought you started your injections last week no? What dose did you decide on using ? Just FYI, you CAN inject IM with an insulin needle IF you do not have alot of fat layer on top of the muscle. I used 5/8" or 1/2 needles and injected into my thigh right into the muscle. No sweat.

Let me know how you're doing. I'm just finished my first week in Phase 3. Holding steading at LIW. Yippee!

K

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Permalink Reply by Lynnette Swans on February 29, 2008 at 12:48pm

No, I did not start P2R2 as of yet. I'm still waiting for my stuff to reach customs. Hmmm. Thank you for telling me that, about injecting into the muscle with a diabetic needle if there is not a lot of fat on the thigh. Interesting. Thank you. So, if I decide to try that with 200iu, I could see how it goes. Thank you. How do you know all of this? Are you a nurse?

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